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  Constant out-of-context quoting; how do Writing dept. cope with that?

  by Anders Andersen in

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  i am just wondering here: almost every single quote in jw literature for which a source can be found, is taken out of context..

  personally, i have checked almost every quote in the 5-questions brochure, some on dating and the cross in reasoning book, and some in magazine articles i found interesting..

  just checked the "they envisioned a universe subject to whims of gods" quote in the feb 2016 awake..

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  Anders Andersen

  @SBF,

  Indeed, the Borg is normally very careful to not misquote.
  

  That's why I consistently speak about quoting out of context instead of misquoting.

  The example in the OP may not be the most clear example of quoting out of context, but to me it looks like they intended to have us understand:

  "Encyclopedia says [Ancient peoples (except Bible people) had this idea about how Gods influence the universe.]. They were wrong and superstitious.
  Opposed to their wrong ideas the Bible is scientifically correct and does not lead to superstition"

  But the actual quoted source intends to convey:

  Ancient peoples (including Bible people) had this idea about how Gods influence the universe.

  But maybe some fine details of the meaning of what was written were lost on me, a non-native English speaker.

  @Diogenesister,

  Well I don't know if they buy it themselves. And I don't know what's worse: being a smart but very unethical writer who doesn't believe what he's writing, or being a supposedly smart writer who is too blind to actually understand what he is writing about...
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  Constant out-of-context quoting; how do Writing dept. cope with that?

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am just wondering here: almost every single quote in jw literature for which a source can be found, is taken out of context..

  personally, i have checked almost every quote in the 5-questions brochure, some on dating and the cross in reasoning book, and some in magazine articles i found interesting..

  just checked the "they envisioned a universe subject to whims of gods" quote in the feb 2016 awake..

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  @SBF,

  They wouldn't (though you never know with JW).

  Problem is, the Awake is making a case that Bible religion is better than other ancient religions, and to support that view they quote a source that more or less states that all ancient religions are the same.

  
  

  Also, WTBS admitting that Bible religion is similar to Aristotle's evil satanic philosophy? *gasp*

  GB (and most RF) will not survive that :-p
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  Constant out-of-context quoting; how do Writing dept. cope with that?

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am just wondering here: almost every single quote in jw literature for which a source can be found, is taken out of context..

  personally, i have checked almost every quote in the 5-questions brochure, some on dating and the cross in reasoning book, and some in magazine articles i found interesting..

  just checked the "they envisioned a universe subject to whims of gods" quote in the feb 2016 awake..

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  @Blondie,

  Good job. Same here...I was flabbergasted when I really researched the 5-questions brochure and found misquote after misquote.

  Going through all the sources mentioned in the brochure, there is no way a honest person still refuses to accept the evidence for evolution.

  Whoever wrote that brochure is either really blind, or evil, or now disfellowshipped...

  And still I'm surprised I find evolution a dirty word.

  And still I'm disappointed when I find more misquotes.
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  Constant out-of-context quoting; how do Writing dept. cope with that?

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am just wondering here: almost every single quote in jw literature for which a source can be found, is taken out of context..

  personally, i have checked almost every quote in the 5-questions brochure, some on dating and the cross in reasoning book, and some in magazine articles i found interesting..

  just checked the "they envisioned a universe subject to whims of gods" quote in the feb 2016 awake..

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  @DarkKnight

  You may not realise this, but accepting the fact of evolution is compatible with believing in a God or gods.

  Official policy in Catholic church is that evolution is a scientific fact*, and the biblical creation story is to be understood as an explanation how humans are spiritually dependant of God.

  Many people who understand and accept evolution (including scientists) believe is a God that kickstarted and/or guided evolution.

  Accepting evolution is not compatible with a literal understanding of Genesis, as is the case with JW.

  There is no way just 2 humans were created 4026BCE and everyone came from those two. There is way too much evidence directly contradicting that.

  So the only people who can never accept evolution are the fundies with a literal explanation of Genesis, and a theology built on that explanation.

  *) In fact, the earlier mentioned scientist Francis Collins is main science advisor for the Vatican
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  Constant out-of-context quoting; how do Writing dept. cope with that?

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am just wondering here: almost every single quote in jw literature for which a source can be found, is taken out of context..

  personally, i have checked almost every quote in the 5-questions brochure, some on dating and the cross in reasoning book, and some in magazine articles i found interesting..

  just checked the "they envisioned a universe subject to whims of gods" quote in the feb 2016 awake..

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  I am just wondering here: almost every single quote in JW literature for which a source can be found, is taken out of context.

  Personally, I have checked almost every quote in the 5-questions brochure, some on dating and the cross in Reasoning book, and some in magazine articles I found interesting.

  Just checked the "they envisioned a universe subject to whims of gods" quote in the Feb 2016 Awake.

  Where the Awake article argues that the Bible is different, the original source continues to argue that also Biblical views are included in the earlier statement:

  Created during rotighly the same period and in the same regions of the world, Aristotelian philosophy and Biblical accounts of cosmology and cosmogony are, not surprisingly, congruent in some respects. Aristotle's teleological explanations assumed that the world was fulfilling a purpose formed by a superhuman mind; Christian philosophy also is inherently meaningful and purposive.

  https://archive.org/stream/EncyclopediaOfScienceAndReligion/Encyclopedia%20of%20Science%20and%20Religion_djvu.txt
  So once again the literature quotes a source, and leads the user to a conclusion that is the direct opposite of what the quoted source intended to say.
  
  

  But I'm wondering: don't the people in Writing dept. read the whole article before quoting?
  Are they doing this on purpose or are they just dumb?
  How do they live with their misrepresenting the facts, assuming they drink the KoolAid just as much as all of us did and are actually decent human beings?
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  Bob up and down Naked.......Really???

  by Giordano in

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  after meticulous research here are the documented scientific pronouncements of the wtbt$.

  “air baths are good for preventing colds.

  what you do is strip naked mornings and evenings and then bob up and down for a while.” golden-age feb 1926 pg 310. .

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  Can we combine this naked bobbing with field service? :-D
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  Evolution, Critical Thinking, and Other Things the JWs Never Told Me

  by David_Jay in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after reading several threads on the topics of evolution and theism, i thought i would share what happens to you when you go to college and get a real education on things: you learn that some of the arguments and stands of jehovah's witnesses are moot to begin with.

  i never double-checked the "modus operandi" about many things, and boy, did i have some real learning to do.. for instance, why are jehovah's witnesses so against evolution?

  it only proves their point.

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  Nice post.

  I can already hear the JW muttering.... "What would Matthew know about generations anyway...filthy tax collector that's what he was!"
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  WATCHTOWER LIBRARY 2015

  by adamluis in

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  we have ours.

  i have attached pic.

  waiting for my copy.

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  @WTS Archive: do you have examples of those changes?

  I'm still contemplating of starting a project to rip all data from different years of WTlib, and then find all changes (if any).

  Or did anyone do that already?
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  There are some real beauties posted here!

  by stillin in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this one is worth repeating.

  it was buried in a thread and u've been thinking about it all day.. a quote from mark twain, one of my all-time heroes.. "it's easier to fool a man than it is to convince him that he has been fooled.".

  isn't that the truth....

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  Makemeanunbeliever6 days agoDr Wilder-Smith (A former evolutionist 3 earned doctorate scientist)
  "The Evolutionary model says that it is not necessary to assume the existence of anything, besides matter and energy, to produce life. That proposition is unscientific. We know perfectly well that if you leave matter to itself, it does not organize itself - in spite of all the efforts in recent years to prove that it does."

  "The ancient Creationist Book says that it is not necessary to assume the existence of anything, besides energy, to produce God. That proposition is unscientific. We know perfectly well that if you leave energy to itself, it does not organize itself becoming omniscient and omnipotent - in spite of all the efforts in thousands of years to prove that it does."

  I always cry a bit when people point at lack of evidence and supposed unscientific reasoning to plead in favor of any highly unscientific and unproven assumption that any God exists.
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  Biblical clues to what God the Jews worshipped

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. bible

  recently there is a royal bulla that was found in jerusalem, that of the judean king hezekiah on it was two egyptian ankhs and a wings sun disk.

  there have been other artifacts found with that of the egyptian scarab beatle which relates to sun worship.

  so does the bible give any clues to the god of the jews?.

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  Interesting OP!

  When the news about that bulla broke, several Witnesses shared that news item on Facebook.

  All comments were "you see, Bible is true and correct!"

  Until someone noticed the winged suns and Tammuz / phallic symbol.

  Then most comments were "Yeah right, as if that belonged to Hezekiah"

  Well waddayathink.....some other king Hezekiah son of Ahaz lived in the palace on mount Ofel at the same time, and threw his bulla out?

  They don't recognise truth if it slaps them in the face :-(

  (And yes, most of us were the same before we woke up)